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Appeal to mosque in San Martin go before public hearing Tuesday

San Martin residents question local use while SVIC wants to increase size of hall

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Posted: Thursday, September 20, 2012 4:56 pm | Updated: 3:07 pm, Thu Jan 3, 2013.

The Santa Clara County planning commission will hear three appeals to the Cordoba Center mosque project in San Martin Tuesday.

The public hearing on the appeals will not begin before 1:30 p.m., and will take place at the board of supervisors chambers, 70 West Hedding St. in San Jose.

Almost as soon as the planning commission approved the application for a use permit for the project proposed by the South Valley Islamic Community last month, three parties including the SVIC appealed the decision.

The SVIC said they are appealing the commission’s decision in favor of the project they originally proposed last year, according to SVIC spokesman Hamdy Abbass.

Approved was a project consisting of two buildings - a 5,000-square-foot prayer hall and a 2,800-square-foot multi-purpose building. Future plans for the site also include a cemetery.

The project is proposed on a 15-acre site on Monterey Road, just north of the intersection of California Avenue in the unincorporated town of San Martin.  

Abbass said the SVIC takes issue with the crowd restrictions placed on the project by the planning commission. Those include allowing larger gatherings of up to 80 people only four times a year.

The SVIC doesn’t know where the county came up with that number, and is appealing to allow up to 150 people at any time, the appeal letter said.

Plus, the SVIC wants to increase the size of the multi-purpose hall to 5,000 square feet, as their original proposal requested, Abbass said.

The restrictions approved by the commission could have the effect of impinging on the SVIC’s constitutional right to religious freedom, Abbass said. Plus they would prevent the SVIC from having community or inter-faith events.

The group has gained legal assistance from a Bay Area attorney and constitutional scholar from the firm O’Melveny & Myers, Abbass said.

“We want to be treated like any other church, without limitation, given the same right to practice,” Abbass said.

The Cordoba Center has been mired in controversy and opposition since this summer, when county planning advisory committees held public hearings about the project.

Opponents to the project are concerned about the Cordoba Center’s possible impact on groundwater in the area, traffic, noise and related complaints.

Some residents have even cited their fear of the Muslim religion as a reason to reject the project.

Two other appeals filed by South County residents will also be heard Tuesday.

The San Martin Neighborhood Alliance appealed the project, claiming it is in violation of general plan and county guidelines requiring “local serving” uses in the area it is proposed, plus a number of violations of land use guidelines.

A group calling itself the People’s Coalition for Government Accountability also appealed the use permit, citing similar violations of county guidelines.

Environmental studies conducted by county staff and consultants showed the proposed project would have no adverse effect on groundwater, storm runoff, traffic, noise, or biological resources.

The planning commission’s Aug. 2 approval granted the project a use permit, architecture and site approval and grading approval.

Regardless of what the final use permit looks like after the appeal process, the SVIC still has to acquire a number of permits before construction can begin. The proposed cemetery will require more permits as well.

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45 comments:

  • hypocrisyhater posted at 10:18 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    hypocrisyhater Posts: 234

    That's Yancey-Boy...posing as me again. You will never be this handsome, my man.

    I do not want to see the mosque 'targetted'. That is asinine.

    I'd just rather not see them build here. Free country....and I, and anyone else who is concerned about this project, are free to feel that way.

    Don't like it Yancey-Boy? Too bad. Go subject yourself to Islamic law and report back to us on how sweet it is.

     
  • Dave McRae posted at 9:49 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    Dave McRae Posts: 72

    The comment was a general one. Any confession is purely a personal comment. But when people professing to be constitutionalists start contacting hate websites to schedule hate speakers to come and talk, then it is clear this project it a target of hate groups and hate speech. It is very clear and the comission clearly sees this.

     
  • School Mom posted at 6:44 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    School Mom Posts: 56

    So freedom of speech is only allowed to people who support this project and everyone else excercizing their right to speak is a "hater"? I don't "hate" anyone involved in this.

     
  • Dave McRae posted at 6:09 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    Dave McRae Posts: 72

    It seems like this project has been a good target for a lot of hate being thrown around. I hope they get to build the building they want. Best of luck today!

     
  • School Mom posted at 8:23 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

    School Mom Posts: 56

    The county has been appropriate and efficient in providing necessary information to those of us who live here and care about what's being developed. Thank you.

    This will be approved, and SVIC will be allowed to expand their buildings, bury human carcasses into ground into the aquifer, stall traffic, tear up the hillside, and draw unwanted crowds into what once was appealing to those who sought a simple, quiet, uncongested lifestyle.

    Before you judge me, understand that I am here because I treasure open space, improving a neglected property, raising livestock, growing organic produce, and keeping this space as open and clean as I possibly can. I'm not alone. I'm not thrilled with the crowds during the Uesugi Farms Pumpkin Patch, with the crowds and congestion it creates, but all are welcome here and happens only once a year, for a very short period of time. I'm disgusted with what the Morgan Hill City Councel allowed John Fry to do, and it makes me sick to see ignorant people foul up the environment with illegal structures, junk cars, and not properly disposing of their trash. I'm horrified that I've raised children who've bathed and drunk perclorate laced well water courtesey of the Olin Corporation.

    Sorry, I'm not interested in whatever cause or "right" you want to promote on behalf of this project, I simply don't believe that what will done will be for the good of the people who live here. That's not been the case so far.

    It is my hope that San Martin will return to what is once was years ago, filled with landowners who genuinely cared about what they were creating. People keep bringing up religious freedoms, are you kidding me? the few churches out here are not burying bodies out back. The Buddhist Temple that's been cited recently took over an existing home that was vacant. It thoroughly galls me that so many people are soooooo concerned about this project being built, but nobody seems to mind how those who border this place and live in the neighborhood are getting screwed, let's talk land value after a cemetary has been put next to your fence line.

     
  • willliamyancy posted at 11:44 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

    willliamyancy Posts: 3

    "What does this offer the residents of San Martin other than more traffic and less ground water?"

    "A good target?"

    The MH Times thinks that explicit calls for violence are protected speech.

     
  • fred oliveri posted at 9:31 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

    fred oliveri Posts: 8

    Well said.

     
  • hypocrisy hater posted at 9:12 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

    hypocrisy hater Posts: 3

    A good target?

     
  • tell_me_why posted at 8:27 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

    tell_me_why Posts: 18

    Trust me, this thing will grow way beyond what they are trying to sell us on. They want to have 150 guest there anytime! Then there will be 150 people there all the time! Which usage numbers where the impact studies conducted on, 150 guests four times a year or 150 guess all the time???

    What does this offer the residents of San Martin other than more traffic and less ground water?

     
  • fredoliveri posted at 9:56 am on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

    fredoliveri Posts: 285

    Well yancey, mental illness in your case is unfortunately and has no cure. A sicko like you is doomed to the environment you have created for yourself. I might be clueless as to how anyone like you functions as a human in today's society, but then remembering back some of your post calling others names, you are no doubt alone and friendless. I suggest you sue me for libel, this way I can actually see what a loser you are. No, yancey, I am not joking about wanting to meet you. How about posting your real name and a photo?

     
  • fredoliveri posted at 8:57 am on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

    fredoliveri Posts: 285

    Gee Dave, I must have missed those trying to persecute Heavy Metal fans. Where was that? You talk about a free society and then berate those who do not think like you as "good for nothings' Well, yes you are free to make those kinds of statements, but then so do the "good for nothings." Where are those conservatives that are a "sick joke" located? Then we have Ozzie Osborne one of your role models with a million times more credibility than those "jokers" and he is sincere too. In summary, if they agree with you, they pass your test, but disagree and they are "good for nothing know it all jokers."

     
  • Dave McRae posted at 6:12 am on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

    Dave McRae Posts: 72

    I was listening to Ozzzy Osbourne's "Bark at the Moon" yesterday and it made me think about how people tried to persecute Heavy Metal fans in the 1980's to "protect" them from the "Devil's" music. What a joke.

    These good for nothing "know it alls" who want to "protect" us from beliefs different to theirs are the true problem.

    In a free society, people can believe what they want to believe and the Constitution guarantees that.

    So called conservatives that want to limit the Constitution are a sick joke.

    Trust me, Ozzy has a million more time credibility than those jokers. When Ozzy Osbourne is more credible and more sincere than you, that's a sign.

     
  • willliamyancy posted at 6:41 am on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    willliamyancy Posts: 3

    And

     
  • Dave McRae posted at 6:09 am on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    Dave McRae Posts: 72

    You're all the children of Abraham. Stop fighting!

     
  • Dave McRae posted at 6:08 am on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    Dave McRae Posts: 72

    The hilarious thing is that Christian, Muslim, and Jewish religions are really all different branches of the same religion. They all believe the same things. They are the same religion.

     
  • Dave McRae posted at 6:04 am on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    Dave McRae Posts: 72

    The people of SVIC do not have to issue any "statements" to satisfy anyone. This isn't about that. This is about the US Constitution. You either support the US Constitution, or you do not.

    You don't get to vote their religion "in" in San Martin. It's completely NOT your call.

    Thanks for playing.

     
  • fredoliveri posted at 6:35 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    fredoliveri Posts: 285

    yancey you can call me names, bigot, racist, or worse like a Republican that is fine. You pretty much irritate many posters and call them names as well. When you cross the line, calling posters child molesters, make remarks about posts associated with Josh or Tara, you cross the line. No one likes you, and worse than that, no one respects you. Why don't you post your real name or a photo?

     
  • willliamyancy posted at 5:35 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    willliamyancy Posts: 3

    Mark Derry needs to tell us how well fredoliveri deep-throats him that fred's posts that violate the TOS are allowed to stay up, but mine are taken down.

     
  • 1derguy posted at 5:17 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    1derguy Posts: 71

    I guess my point , slightly beyond the grasp of some posters, is the lack of information on BOTH sides. Asking for a permit without this information leaves you open for appeal. Both sides need to step into the light.
    Many are unaware of Islamic dogma. Not all of them are Wahhabiest. There are many differences in Islam just as in Western Religions.
    In the "big house" the baloney sandwiches were great and my roommate was a Branch Davidian. Thanks for your concern.

     
  • hypocrisyhater posted at 4:07 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    hypocrisyhater Posts: 234

    Answer the question.

    Where did Cordoba or SVIC denounce the violence?

    It's okay, kid...you can say it....

     
  • hypocrisyhater posted at 4:00 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    hypocrisyhater Posts: 234

    Maybe they put some sort of statement on their website?

    http://www.svic.org/blog/

    Why don't you take a look and report back, Beav?

     
  • WillliamYancey posted at 3:56 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    WillliamYancey Posts: 61

    hh, your double-speak would do Orwell proud.

     
  • hypocrisyhater posted at 3:52 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    hypocrisyhater Posts: 234

    No...it is there, plain as day, for anyone who wants to read it. The question you continue avoiding, because you don't like how the answer sounds.

    Has anyone from Cordoba or SVIC come out publicly and made statements denouncing crazy Islamic people overseas and the murder of American diplomats?

    They seem awfully quiet ever since Islamo-Tools started erupting overseas. What do they have to say about the situation? That's right....nothing. Thanks.

    They are fortunate there are lemmings like you around to roll out the red carpet for them.

     
  • WillliamYancey posted at 2:21 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    WillliamYancey Posts: 61

    Again, you can lie about what you said, but your original post contradicts your BS.

     
  • hypocrisyhater posted at 2:08 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    hypocrisyhater Posts: 234

    Stop deflecting with your White Devils and answer the question.

    What has Cordoba or the SVIC said about Muslims overseas acting like morons?

    Do you wake up every day wishing you weren't white? Or just most days?

     
  • WillliamYancey posted at 1:54 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    WillliamYancey Posts: 61

    Again, you can lie about what you said, but your original post contradicts your BS.

    Though, using your logic, I'm going to assume that you support the actions of Anders Breivik and Jim Adkisson. (I'll wait while you look them up and pretend that you don't support what they did. Take your time, bubba.)

     
  • hypocrisyhater posted at 1:39 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    hypocrisyhater Posts: 234

    The quoted statement was the original question. Learn to read.

    Now...if you have no statements from the SVIC or the fine people of the Cordoba project, I will assume, by their silence, that they have no problem with the Muslims going berzerk overseas.

    Nor do you. I'm sure you think this is all the white man's fault...and have reams of supporting evidence.

     
  • WillliamYancey posted at 1:24 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    WillliamYancey Posts: 61

    I like what conservatives resort to when they're completely defeated. "You're a drunk! You're an illegal! You're a Marxist!"

    Seriously, it's a good thing that stupidity makes it so you don't have the wherewithal to recognize how stupid you are. Otherwise, you guys would kill yourselves forthwith.

     
  • hypocrisyhater posted at 1:15 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    hypocrisyhater Posts: 234

    "Has anyone from the Cordoba Center project made any statements denouncing the violence throughout the Muslim world over the past couple of weeks?"

    Yancey-Boy...I'm sure the library has some remedial reading courses you could take. I know this town offers all sorts of English as a Second Language classes at no charge. You should check some of those out....if you have time between tagging buildings and rolling with your homies, that is.

     
  • fred oliveri posted at 12:50 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    fred oliveri Posts: 8

    Their agenda is to open a place of worship. And they at least have a face to go with the organization (Mr. Abbas). The other group? Nothing.

     
  • WillliamYancey posted at 12:07 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    WillliamYancey Posts: 61

    There should be limits. But, the joke is that you try to impose them on others and not recognize any yourself. So, until you learn to stop being such a hypocrite, you can just cry me a river.

     
  • fredoliveri posted at 11:57 am on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    fredoliveri Posts: 285

    You know yancey, there should be some limits. If I ever meet you, I will give you a free tune up.

     
  • WillliamYancey posted at 11:51 am on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    WillliamYancey Posts: 61

    No, you said, "All the "moderate muslims" have been eerily quiet about all the flag-burning fun going on over there right now." See, the problem with the internet is that the things you post can be referenced later.

    And if, in your mind, three minutes on Google is "scouring the web," I can't imagine how unproductive a person you are.

     
  • hypocrisyhater posted at 11:41 am on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    hypocrisyhater Posts: 234

    Yancey-Boy,

    I said 'anyone from the Cordoba Center'. Or the SVIC...that will do too.

    But I like how you scour the web looking for the apologetic Muslims. Thanks for your commitment to their cause...I guess.

     
  • hypocrisy hater posted at 11:31 am on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    hypocrisy hater Posts: 3

    Be Truthful.
    Don't knowingly lie about anyone or anything.

     
  • fredoliveri posted at 11:08 am on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    fredoliveri Posts: 285

    Gee yancey, I posted a glad to see you are out of rehab as a positive message.

     
  • WillliamYancey posted at 9:40 am on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    WillliamYancey Posts: 61

    fredoliveri (9/20/12): I am tired of the pathetic mud slinging from both sides.

    fredoliveri (9/21/12): Good to see you and yancey are out of rehab. Glad you made

     
  • WillliamYancey posted at 9:38 am on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    WillliamYancey Posts: 61

    Now, what I'd like to see is "moderate Christians" condemn the violence in, say, Oak Creek, or Utoya, or Knoxville, or Wichita, all perpetrated by self-identified Christians. "Moderate Christians" were eerily silent about those events.

     
  • WillliamYancey posted at 9:35 am on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    WillliamYancey Posts: 61

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/19-more-photos-of-libyans-apologizing-for-american

    http://www.cjad.com/CJADLocalNews/entry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10438630

    http://www.news9.com/story/19550256/okc-muslims-react-to-diplomat-murders-embassy-protests

    http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news/local/fox_cities/local-reaction-to-middle-east-violence

    http://rochesterhomepage.net/fulltext?nxd_id=341612

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-local-muslim-reaction-20120912,0,5191260.story

    http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/local_news/local-muslim-leaders-react-to-libya-attacks

    http://www.wafb.com/story/19529163/baton

    http://www.freep.com/article/20120912/NEWS05/120912059/Libya-embassy-ambassador-attack-Detroit-reaction

    http://atlantamuslim.com/2012/sep/12/Muslim-condemn-libya-attack/

     
  • fredoliveri posted at 8:59 am on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    fredoliveri Posts: 285

    Good to see you and yancey are out of rehab. Glad you made it. Seems 1derguy did go to the web site. You can find the P.O. Box number and little more.

     
  • hypocrisyhater posted at 8:56 am on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    hypocrisyhater Posts: 234

    Has anyone from the Cordoba Center project made any statements denouncing the violence throughout the Muslim world over the past couple of weeks?

    All the "moderate muslims" have been eerily quiet about all the flag-burning fun going on over there right now

     
  • Dave McRae posted at 7:53 am on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    Dave McRae Posts: 72

    1derguy, since yo're been away in prison, they invented Google. It works on the internet. Someone might have to explain to you what that is, but it's an amazing tool for finding information.

    Here's a link. That's a computer term. Maybe a 7 year old can show you how it works.

    www.svic.org

    There's a link where you can donate money to help with the construction of the mosque.

    To help you until you find a child who didn't have school today who can show you the internet, from SVIC.org,

    "SVIC is dedicated to helping and encouraging Muslims and non-Muslims acquire the basic knowledge of Islam through a free exchange of ideas in an environment of civility and mutual respect that would lead to a greater understanding and peace in our society. Join us in our journey! "

    I don't see any links to "scalping". Did you watch a lot of "Lone Ranger" episodes as a child?

     
  • WillliamYancey posted at 12:32 am on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    WillliamYancey Posts: 61

    Their agenda is to open a place of worship. And they at least have a face to go with the organization (Mr. Abbas). The other group? Nothing.

     
  • 1derguy posted at 9:37 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    1derguy Posts: 71

    It's kind of a tough nut to crack finding specifics on the "South Valley Islamic Community" also. Their contact information consists of a P.O Box in MH and a number to leave a voice mail. This also brings into question their agenda. Better to be safe than scalped.

     
  • WillliamYancey posted at 8:22 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

    WillliamYancey Posts: 61

    The MH Times is still declining to identify who the "People’s Coalition for Government Accountability" are and what their real agenda is, huh? Way to circle the wagons.